What about the fundamentalist Mormon groups?

We are here to gather all into one common fold that can go on to help build Zion at last. The following are my views, and may or may not be the views of others in the new remnant gathering community.

There is no modern church or fundy group with a "one man" who has "all the keys" or who has the only valid priesthood left. There is no Patriarchal Heir or Order like that which Patriarchs in the Old Testament had. None of them have brought back what Joseph Smith or guys in our scripture have had (a STRONG connection with the Godhead and the Familial Patriarchal Governmental Order of old). None of them have redeemed Zion. They have started out confused on what to do, have splintered and divided every which way again and again, only to end up just as confused as when they began. Most every fundamentalist group claims to hold the highest priesthood, but also will finally admit that they "need set back in order too", or that their "ordinances will need to be redone in Zion", etc. If you need set in order too, you too do not have what you need to do what you do in a group setting.

Don't get me wrong, there are some seriously awesome and good people in those groups. I personally enjoyed meeting with them more than with the mainstream LDS. I mingled with you. I attended your meetings. I hung out in your homes. I made friends with you. I almost joined you early on. You guys are more dedicated to defending and living truth and trying to be a set apart people from the world while the LDS have made good friends with it. On face value, it appears your sacrifices have been generally more than lived by the mainstream LDS. You suffer much from the LDS and the outside world for your beliefs.

Here is the catch... the actual timing of the break. In my view, everything that deals with the high and Holy priesthood fell out of order within Mormonism as a group prior to 1890, actually being lost back in Nauvoo after the failure to build the Nauvoo temple and redeem Zion.

If you think your group has sealing authority passed on man to man in ordinance form, or from Grandpa so and so to Dad, or outside any group through the BF Johnson line, what if that priesthood ceased being honored long ago? What if in our "out of orderness" in our day, the real thing is obtained from the Lord direct, after you build a relationship with Him for some time?

If you are fundamentalist, you are welcome to organize and gather into our communities, even with plural wives you already have. Kody Brown of Sister Wives, you can too. The Lord's new movement is open to all.

I agree with Denver's public statement though, do not add additional wives into your family. He also made it clear not to add plural wives unless a person has direct command or authorization (and the necessary priesthood because there being no proper group covenant order) from the Savior Himself, which he discussed in Passing the Heavenly Gift and on his blog. D&C 132 says Christ gave Abraham, Jacob, Moses and other great prophets their priesthoods and promises. D&C 132 was originally intended as a letter written up by Joseph as a way to inform Emma of how and why it was possible for him to also live Plural Marriage. Doesn't it make sense, when you deeply step back an analyze it all... if things are out of order in the priesthood groups of men, then the real stuff must be obtained from heaven again? If you live such things without the "real stuff", participants could possibly be held accountable for adultery. That I think that may depend on the intent of your heart and what you actually knew at the time. I know BY and JT continued PM. They had secret Apostles and quorums and dedicated their lives to defending the familial lifestyle Joseph Smith in fact was trying to live (or was about to live once the temple was built and the law stopped falsely accusing him). I remember hearing what Pres or Apostle so and so said in the 1880's about being able to live concubinage even if the keys to live plural marriage are gone, or that they would continue to live PM after the manifesto no matter what. I know Lorin Woolley said Pres Taylor wanted them to keep doing PM after the manifesto, and set him and others apart to do so. Woolley also said to never organize and compete against the church, thinking the church was still the Lord's church and had the keys to run it, and that they were to only continue PM since the church gave up on it. Course the church in the 1920's started to refuse to allow LDS members who were still taking new wives into church meetings, and they were stuck with knowing what to do then. So they (short creek members) decided they better figure out what to do as a cast out group. I know the AUB thinks they now have all the keys after 1978. I know some independents who claim to stand as Adam over all the priesthood on earth. I know BF Johnson gave the 2A to Benjamin Lebaron, who gave it to Alma Dayer Lebaron, and on to the Lebaron brothers, then on to independent "patriarchs" of today. It is time for things to be cleaned up. The mischief, the vain claims, the divisions, the families being broke up over button, button who has got the button, and the pushing families into living the hard familial plural lifestyle because they think they have to before gaining exaltation, has gone on long enough.

None of the groups have returned to what Joseph Smith and the prophets in our scriptures had. Those prophets communed with Jehovah through the veil until they saw Him in person. They saw the Father. Joseph Smith and Patriarchs of the past had the Patriarchal Family Order or sought to restore it. That is the priesthood sceptor necessary to do a great work for heaven. They with authority from God, teach others truths that the Lord has taught them... that is the covering of light also needed. So many have claimed to be the one mighty and strong. They have come and went. Some have ended up in prison.

Obtain these greater things individually, regardless of what organized religious groups fail to do, regardless of where you find yourself on Sundays, and then you can be one mighty and strong for the Lord. Obtain and BE these things instead of just claiming to, then wait on the Lord to direct, allow or command.

This being said, I do think the Lord is fair and merciful. If you are practicing something that you had Faith that the Lord wanted you to live, thinking that your fundamentalist leader or adopted or actual patriarchal father had the ability to allow you to live it, I sincerely doubt that someone could be damned (for a few mortal probations?) or held accountable for adultery. I have seen some of you blessed greatly. I have seen many suffer many hardships as well. But confusion and continual divisions continue in all places.

I have seen leaders using donated funds in ways that benefit themselves and not their group. I have seen the history on "evil Ervil" being an accessory to murder of a good man trying to do best for his followers. I have seen priesthood leaders being accused or involved in child sex abuse. I have seen Warren Jeff's being accused of and sent to prison for child rape and forced marriages. Men were pushed away so that leaders would have more pick for wives. For the life of me... why??? You are looked up to by your people! They expect you to be virtuous and clean... since you claim to hold the only keys to give couples eternal life together! To do what is best for the whole group... not just yourselves! I have seen the cult-like follow the leader mentality in all the organized lds groups. I have seen the divisions and strifes. I wept considerably in the past seeing it all! Seeing that Zion was not yet among anyone, and I sincerely wanted to be a part of the people who would be used to build it. Many groups are hoping to be the people used to eventually build it... but at the same time many thinking that only their priesthood will get you there, which only closes minds from being open to the fact that the Lord just may be using another servant and another group from doing that final work.

I just want to be part of that final work. I want to see the contention on certain principles and possibilities to end. I want to see people no longer dividing and losing their spouses and family members because one wants join a different group and the other stay.  I want us all coming into Zion, and as a group sitting at the feet of the Savior who could say to us... "Well done My good and faithful servants and Sons!"

The gospel truly is amazing. It truly has some possibilities that many find hard to understand as to why and how. Any privilege or blessing had by great prophets of the past, could be had by families today, if they come in and meet the same terms and conditions to obtain the same promises that those in the past held. But for now, more people need to come unto Christ. Go to Him. Rely on Him. Trust Him. Ask Him questions relentlessly. Go thru the process and endure the hardships that unevitably come. We need to get our current family relationships "in order". We need to return to the agreeable doctrines of the gospel, which so many of us called milk for the longest time. So many have sought for the  "heavenly gifts" from the hands of mortals. We need to turn our directions, our efforts and seek from the only One who stands at that gate to offer what He alone has to offer. Turn to Him. I know He does work with us. I know He wants to work with you and tell you all the answers to your questions and grant you the things you truly seek. He has worked with a fellow such as I for years, He can do so for you. This is the great mystery that should not be mysterious. This is really what the restored gospel is really about! God is no respector! He doesn't care if you are president or sitting in the pews, all have equal access to Him! Imagine yourselves as Adam, with priests coming to offer you things. Adam had no organized religion that he had to obtain things from. He was told to turn to heaven for answers and greater things. Be as Adam, and find it from on high, just like he did. Go thru the process, the path to Christ. Find Him and He will lead you along. He will be your Minister! He will comfort you when the rest of the world seems to be against you! He will be your light and lead you along the way! He will help you converse with Him thru the veil, until you come into His actual presence! He will bring you those promises of Eternal Life and grant greater priesthood authority when He deems you ready. Then you can go on meekly saying, I like Abraham have great promises and priesthood... because you have gone thru a similar path he did to merit it.

I declare again that Christ does personally work with us. You may deny it for a time, but you will eventually realize Him working with you. You may hear things declared from Him that you just cannot understand or believe at the time. He will likely inform you later on some things to help you understand when the time is right. He will test and try your faith and reliance on Him. He will bring you to the point that your heart is extremely broke and your heart is contrite. You too can come to get to know His true character and how He is, by the way He personally works with you. He is amazing. He forgives us before we forgive ourselves. He is understanding and can see through your errors and remain with you when you think He for sure has moved on and forgotten you. You can hear Him and the Father declare things to you that will anchor you I(once you overcome your doubts) and keep you "grounded" while you go through what you need to go through.

Surely God can do such a work as this with you. Surely this is His work and His glory. YOU! He wants us all on the same standing, not one above the other. He wants us to be like Him eventually.

I hope and pray for myself to continue to receive greater things, and especially pray for my friends in our communities and others to receive greater things. More spiritual gifts. More revelation. More conversing. More visitations. More calling and elections. More sealing power to be among us. To have  a family of God (adopted Sons and Daughters to Him) who can then gather and help build Zion to fullfill the promises given to Patriarchs of the past. The Lord has seared into my being these things. These are my greatest desires. I will never cease trying to do my part to help others and myself to get where our Lord and Father wants us all to be. This is Their work, and I will do what I can to assist Them.

What Is Necessary

The Book Of Mormon  is necessary to help prepare YOU for the coming restoration. It helps us understand that the Lord’s words in bible prophecies were partially fulfilled when ministering to other scattered tribes of IsraEL (lots of meaning in this word... see Christ’s comments about dogs and not healing the woman of a different lineage, but did so anyway with her continued plea and comment about dogs eating crumbs). The BOM helps us realize that the full restorative work of the Father is not full and there is more to come, but it also helps us connect with the Lord like the examples found within, in any day or circumstance. That is necessary. The connecting part, whether you have just the writings of Moses, or whether you have tons more like the LDS church has had for nearly two centuries. The BOM is another witness, along side the bible, that in the last days (now!), the work of the Father would include a restoration of the true Christian Gospel and a gathering of a final remnant of descendants into places of refuge and finally into Zion for the start of the millenial era, would occur before the wrapping up of this creation period.

 

Do we need the Book of Mormon?

 

Lehi connected with the Savior direct, with just the help from Isaiah and previous prophets alone. He was one of the many, true connected prophets, like Jeremiah (in the bible) who existed at the same time Lehi did. Only a portion of the bible records Lehi held in 580bc. I would think that anyone interested in what God has done with mankind in the past, would want to read all prophetic records, to look for the pattern of how men connected with heaven direct, and how to avoid the same failures of the past. Connecting with God or re-connecting, individually is absolutely necessary. I suppose the LDS and even the awakening LDS Remnant might could have more angelic ministrations... but with the amount of scripture we do have, and the mortal angelic ministers that are among us today, are enough to get us started in the right path. What matters is the path to Christ and Him working with you directly. Not the angelic mortals(past mortals and present) or angels from beyond the veil who only share with you truths that point in the right direction.

 

I would venture to say that nearly anyone, anywhere, could connect with God, get priesthood confirmed from on high (the "power" in that priesthood depends on how good your connection is with the Father and Son and HG), even without being ordained to aaronic ph by a man or angel or having an lds or remnant baptism. After all, isn’t lesser (Aaronic or Levitical) priesthood authority a condemnatory priesthood, for those who have not the higher, those who failed to get and maintain it after being offered? Compare the mainstream LDS church of today with Israel of old after Moses. Someone with high priesthood (and the necessary actual word of the Lord direction and allowance) could then baptize (himself or others, really a show of faith to men and God that we want to get what that physical mortal ordinance symbolicly represents) and do what ever the Lord directs him or her to do.

"Holy" Priesthood?

Denver Snuffer has stated in the books {see the First 3 Words paper and Ephraim talk by Denver Snuffer}, (as he points out hints in the scriptures), some have qualified in a probational period and obtained priesthood, the one real priesthood, from before this life. It just needs re-activated by the baptism of fire (born again into the fold or Church of Christ) and true revelation from the one who stands at that gate. This is required for greater things (referring to what is symbolicly shown in LDS first and second endowment ceremonies for those who know about such things).

 

Many are called or given this Holy Priesthood from before this life (because of their choosing the right path by faith before), but few are chosen, or rather come to have it re-confirmed and re-activated here. See Alma 13 and JST Gen 14. All of them are called to seek their calling and election (and associated promises) and coming into the presence of the Son and then the Father while in mortality, if not obtained "before", or reconfirmed in this life if they did. Maybe some obtained C&E and/or the Second Comforter actual face to face visitations before this life also and just need to obtain more and help others. Maybe some have obtained more already in this life (“there are those of you who have your calling and elections made sure... doubt not the word of God” – DS, Ephraim talk). Likely those who obtained such great things are among the noble and great. Are there an "even more noble and great" who come back again (the Angels seek them out and prepare them for that mission) to perform missions to help lift other unknowing children of EL to be elevated? Christ, a Son of God, the Savior of all, One who had greater things than us all, had done a greater but similar mortal mission. Pick up your cross and follow the prototype of the saved man? Some things take more than one probation. Some are on missions, but still ascending into higher stations. Regardless of our what standing we hold (and others), we must be progressing upwards and help others do the same.

 

“Ye are gods." "The Kingdom of God is within you.” -Christ told those He was ministering to, and they were confused. What? Gods in the making? In the process and can become such? People fore-ordained before the world was to become such? People who come again to obtain that which they might not have yet obtained before this life? Children of the Fathers before us, who formerly became adopted "Sons/Daughters of God" (who obtained promises that their future seed/children would one day be a part of the latter day remnant who is gathered into Zion), or became as the gods meaning they would have eternal lives like them and God sees them as in eternity now? Are some who come into this mortality, on an even higher noble and great standing, and come to perform a grand mission? Surely, those meek enough to qualify to have that revelation on where they stand, never want to accept what they held and hold. Either way, behave as if we do and don’t have that standing as others.

If you realize just how far you progressed before this life (God views us in eternity, in the now), especially many within the church and remnant, or those coming across "this gospel" (the correct truths and fullness of it)... how great the weight when you realize what you could lose, if you don’t shake free of any mortal problems obtained in this life, and rise up and elevate others. If you want a promise of eternal life (or to keep it), then assist others to obtain such and be exalted in the process of assisting heaven their work and glory. But do it in the right way, or be subject to impeding the way... as our scriptures show so many failures, and as our modern organized religions of today have shown.

Add this all to the fact that the division so many LDS and other fellow Christian believers have talked about one day occurring, is beginning. Is it another “war in heaven” now beginning (a time to get on the right side of the fence and choose Christ's individual come to Him direct teachings, over telestial, idolatrous rely on the teachings of priesthood leaders) before a coming cleansing and millenial (Adam/Eve type) era. Gods then setting foot on this world again. Then another fall (just think, Adam lived almost 1,000 years... a millennial period). "A new world?" Creation periods or "worlds".... without end?

 

This is serious stuff. I hope those reading this take it so. Look out into the world, and SEE, just who are saying follow and connect with Christ(terrestrial level) over the vain telestial teachings of men (follow the mortal church leader and he will take you safely there). Just who are fighting against the work of the Father now beginning and fighting against a true Zion, who otherwise should not be and think that "all is well"? Is your priestly leader or pastor involved in that, even if they don't really realize it or what they are doing?


Upon my house shall it begin... we can see why. Where much was given and offered to the gentile (also descendents of Israel) people in the 1800's, and then much is given and offered again, a second time in our time... much is required, and much will be lost if not received before it is too late. Amos 3:7 - surely God will not do it, unless He sends His prophets or messengers to warn them first. Then it comes... just as biblical and book of Mormon prophets showed happened to their people, and as they saw would happen in the last days.

 

Take it to Him and “See”.



 

The Remnant Gathering

I am sure you have heard the news, if not you will hear plenty of it soon enough. The Remnant Gatherings of like minded believers has begun!


This is in preparation of the coming of Zion! The one that nearly all the prophets have spoken on in the last days, that would usher in the mellenium!


The Lord has performed a part of His "strange act" that I mentioned previously. On Sep 9, 2014, Denver Snuffer publicly declared that the Lord has moved forward without the LDS church leaders, to perform the prophesied work of the last days. In fact, Denver declared that because of continued abuse and error (and not repenting of it when given the chance), and removing a man who personally knows the Lord, that on April 14, 2014, the Lord removed the remaining priesthood held by them.


Be sure to read Denver's Phoenix talk here (when it is posted): http://www.scribd.com/DCSnuffer


If you need help finding a local group of like minded believers to join with, send me an email: restoredtruths@gmail.com


There will be no costly church buildings erected (more money for the poor among us). There will be no one above the other. You can still be a part of the LDS or fundamentalist group you are a part of if you like. There will be authorized ordinances such as conferring Aaronic Priesthood, Baptism and Sacrament still taking place, but they are servants, not your leaders. The local groups must sustain a person to perform or receive ordinances in the group setting. Records will be kept for storing in the future temple. Tithing will be gathered and used to help one another, not to build up Babylon or your portfolio. No one will be prevented from taking the Sacrament. Everything in a group will be done by common consent, as equals. A future gathering and the final Zion temple will come where the Lord Himself can meet with us.


EXCITING TIMES! But extremely serious times as well. If we bring in the having one above the other and trusting too much in the arms of flesh errors we are use to having for the past 185 years, the Lord could move on with just a few others to accomplish what He needs. I am sure more warnings will be declared, but let us please remember the numerous failures all through history. There have only been a few successful Zions all through history. But this one, the last one to bring in the millennial period, is extremely important and needs to succeed. We need to cleanse ourselves, seek to obtain gifts of the Spirit of God, seek the will of and the face of God. We need to serve and love everyone in our groups. We need to be prepared to be a part of something so amazing.


Ask the Father if these things are not true. Take a look at the state of the world and the signs of the times! Prophecies have been fulfilled! TODAY IS THE DAY TO BE A PART OF SOMETHING GOD IS DOING! Do not delay. Doubt your own doubts. Search the prophecies on all these matters. Hear the voice of God for yourself. Forget the Lo Here, Lo there, come follow a man declarations. Along the way you can find your Calling and Election made sure and have the visitation from the Lord. The greater principles and blessings of the gospel will be made known after we receive those higher standings before the Lord. For now, lets teach the Doctrines of Christ, and everything else will follow.


Now is the time to become closer to the Father and Son. Repenting is turning towards them and never look back. Join a local assembly of like minded friends. Comfort others, be comforted. Serve and be served. Love and be loved.


Again, if you have not read Denver's books starting with "The Second Comforter", please do so immediately. It is best to read all those books before listening to his 40 Yrs in Mormonism lectures (actually Zion prep courses). Search the scriptures for the prophecies concerning these things. Look at the patterns of how God worked with failed religious groups in the past. See how the prophets in those scriptures connected with God. See what the LDS temples are really trying to teach. Liken and do the same! God bless us all with the strength to succeed in His Work. WE CANNOT FAIL AGAIN!!!